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		<title>By: Andesh Næss</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-6937</link>
		<dc:creator>Andesh Næss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m on the other end - I&#039;m one of the people trying to figure out the secrets. :)

but I think there are different type of curiosity in people. Some people want to know the secrets just to imitate them, and after awhile a lot of the magic disappears. I can feel that way with polaroids sometimes. Even though I really enjoy polaroid photos, I think much of the love I have for them is in the format itself, the look of it, and a lot of the magic happens when the format fuses together with the personality (the &quot;style&quot;) of the photographer. With all the iphone apps that exist now, the format is easily recreated, and the secrets are exposed, and used dispassionately, losing it&#039;s magic.

I&#039;m writing a book, and I would like to combine it with photography. Not really as an accompanying illustration, but more of an amalgamation or merging with the words. I have sort of a vision or a sense in my head how I want the pictures to feel, and a lot my experimentation is trying to get closer towards that vision. I guess, that&#039;s the other type of curiosity - for example, when I saw your underwater pictures, I was thinking that I want to learn that technique, not because I want to imitate it, but because I wonder how it will look like trough my eyes, how I can use that technique trough my vision, where that will take me, where my creativity will lead me from there.

When talking to people about secrets, I feel this is how I decide what to tell - whether I feel the person is going to imitate, or be inspired. The ones wanting to do an imitation probably would want the whole formula, but the ones wanting to use the knowledge as a spring board is more than satisfied with seeing a picture of you holding a camera in a plastic underwaterbag to begin to experiment, learning and making mistakes along the way to create their own view.

Needless to say, I am glad for the little crumbs of insight into the secrets I pick up. Just the word Collodion under a photography has made my journey leap a big step. And even though I&#039;m not doing collodion prints, that little nibble got me into liquid emulsion on glass negatives and large format and hand coloring and what not.

So maybe, when I get as far as you, if someone ask me how I do underwater pictures, I&#039;d just say - transparent plastic bag!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m on the other end &#8211; I&#8217;m one of the people trying to figure out the secrets. :)</p>
<p>but I think there are different type of curiosity in people. Some people want to know the secrets just to imitate them, and after awhile a lot of the magic disappears. I can feel that way with polaroids sometimes. Even though I really enjoy polaroid photos, I think much of the love I have for them is in the format itself, the look of it, and a lot of the magic happens when the format fuses together with the personality (the &#8220;style&#8221;) of the photographer. With all the iphone apps that exist now, the format is easily recreated, and the secrets are exposed, and used dispassionately, losing it&#8217;s magic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing a book, and I would like to combine it with photography. Not really as an accompanying illustration, but more of an amalgamation or merging with the words. I have sort of a vision or a sense in my head how I want the pictures to feel, and a lot my experimentation is trying to get closer towards that vision. I guess, that&#8217;s the other type of curiosity &#8211; for example, when I saw your underwater pictures, I was thinking that I want to learn that technique, not because I want to imitate it, but because I wonder how it will look like trough my eyes, how I can use that technique trough my vision, where that will take me, where my creativity will lead me from there.</p>
<p>When talking to people about secrets, I feel this is how I decide what to tell &#8211; whether I feel the person is going to imitate, or be inspired. The ones wanting to do an imitation probably would want the whole formula, but the ones wanting to use the knowledge as a spring board is more than satisfied with seeing a picture of you holding a camera in a plastic underwaterbag to begin to experiment, learning and making mistakes along the way to create their own view.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I am glad for the little crumbs of insight into the secrets I pick up. Just the word Collodion under a photography has made my journey leap a big step. And even though I&#8217;m not doing collodion prints, that little nibble got me into liquid emulsion on glass negatives and large format and hand coloring and what not.</p>
<p>So maybe, when I get as far as you, if someone ask me how I do underwater pictures, I&#8217;d just say &#8211; transparent plastic bag!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke Shaden</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooke Shaden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric - It is an interesting debate, whether or not to share secrets. I actually love doing it, I love the opportunity to share things with people, sometimes I think I should have become a teacher. But I also think there is a time and place for that. I am going to be teaching workshops soon and will certainly be sharing secrets in that environment, but simply leaving them out there on the web only feels detrimental to myself. About the textures, I simply stretch them - I know it sounds like a bad idea but I have printed at 40X40 inches with no problems, oddly enough. If they did create a problem I would stop using them, and if that day comes I&#039;ll come back here to link to a new set of textures :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric &#8211; It is an interesting debate, whether or not to share secrets. I actually love doing it, I love the opportunity to share things with people, sometimes I think I should have become a teacher. But I also think there is a time and place for that. I am going to be teaching workshops soon and will certainly be sharing secrets in that environment, but simply leaving them out there on the web only feels detrimental to myself. About the textures, I simply stretch them &#8211; I know it sounds like a bad idea but I have printed at 40X40 inches with no problems, oddly enough. If they did create a problem I would stop using them, and if that day comes I&#8217;ll come back here to link to a new set of textures :)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bjerke</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1499</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Bjerke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 07:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion. I hardly ever ask how something is done, even though I am often very curious. Even people who I have met in person and are facebook friends (a level, I think, above flickr friend) have just plain ignored requests or comments I have made that sound like I am asking a question on how they did something. I would much prefer that they tell me that they would rather not say, than ignore the question altogether. 

I love it when someone asks me how I did something. It validates my work (haha, &quot;work&quot;). I understand when people prefer not to, but I enjoy when people ask and I tell them freely. People who have done the same to me have turned out to help me greatly advance my OWN WAY of doing something similar--they basically helped me get things rolling. 

BTW, a while ago you linked to some free textures on flickr. How do you use them since they are at such a small size? 

Love your stuff. I have you bookmarked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion. I hardly ever ask how something is done, even though I am often very curious. Even people who I have met in person and are facebook friends (a level, I think, above flickr friend) have just plain ignored requests or comments I have made that sound like I am asking a question on how they did something. I would much prefer that they tell me that they would rather not say, than ignore the question altogether. </p>
<p>I love it when someone asks me how I did something. It validates my work (haha, &#8220;work&#8221;). I understand when people prefer not to, but I enjoy when people ask and I tell them freely. People who have done the same to me have turned out to help me greatly advance my OWN WAY of doing something similar&#8211;they basically helped me get things rolling. </p>
<p>BTW, a while ago you linked to some free textures on flickr. How do you use them since they are at such a small size? </p>
<p>Love your stuff. I have you bookmarked.</p>
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		<title>By: Kylie Batt</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator>Kylie Batt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 07:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Абсолютно с Вами согласен. В этом что-то есть и это отличная идея. Я Вас поддерживаю....&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://coolstuffit.ru/?p=145&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;/a&gt; ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Абсолютно с Вами согласен. В этом что-то есть и это отличная идея. Я Вас поддерживаю&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://coolstuffit.ru/?p=145" rel="nofollow"> </a> &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i, for one, think your work is spectacular....so much so that i posted about it &amp; linked to you just yesterday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i, for one, think your work is spectacular&#8230;.so much so that i posted about it &amp; linked to you just yesterday!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have appreciated your work for a few months now and look forward to each new posting. To add an older persons point of view (and I hope I do not offend); Coke did not manage to become as large as it is and employ as many people as they do by telling everyone how to make it and what ingredients are in the drink. The formula (your concept), the ingredients (your creativity), and the production process (how you use the camera, photoshop etc) are your trade secrets. Therefore, you are not a mean person for limiting what you share, you are just protecting your business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have appreciated your work for a few months now and look forward to each new posting. To add an older persons point of view (and I hope I do not offend); Coke did not manage to become as large as it is and employ as many people as they do by telling everyone how to make it and what ingredients are in the drink. The formula (your concept), the ingredients (your creativity), and the production process (how you use the camera, photoshop etc) are your trade secrets. Therefore, you are not a mean person for limiting what you share, you are just protecting your business.</p>
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		<title>By: Nieves M.</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Nieves M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see this tricky issue, I agree with you, Brooke. Personally, I&#039;ve been wandering around Flickr for a while, admiring other people&#039;s pictures and wondering myself how do they do that. But I&#039;ve never asked anyone how to do the same, I only try to find the answer by myself thinking a lot and testing my theories with PS. I must admit that I haven&#039;t even reached a level in which I&#039;m enough satisfied (and I&#039;m very aware of that maybe, I will have this feeling for a long time, because I might want to learn more and more one day after another).
To carry on, I have to say that I&#039;ve had the same feeling as you lots of times. When you have reached your goals, when you have put sweat and blood on your picture, giving it up it&#039;s not so easy.
The more you work to achieve your goals, the less you want to reveal your secrets. As you said, it&#039;s like asking a magician how to reveal his tricks.

I try to use Flickr as a tool for learning, not only to learn editing but also to stare at other people&#039;s work and to decide more or less if I like doing this or not. Putting it in a nutshell, to develop myself by comparing techniques, styles, and new textures.
Everybody has to have an influence in his own works -influence from a person, from a picture, from past experiences, etc.- and that&#039;s not bad. But if your intentions are to try to copy someone, that&#039;s different.

To conclude, I&#039;ll say that maybe it is good to teach your skills to someone else, but only if you are a paid photography teacher. Other way, you will hurt yourself and this person won&#039;t try to fin out by him/herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see this tricky issue, I agree with you, Brooke. Personally, I&#8217;ve been wandering around Flickr for a while, admiring other people&#8217;s pictures and wondering myself how do they do that. But I&#8217;ve never asked anyone how to do the same, I only try to find the answer by myself thinking a lot and testing my theories with PS. I must admit that I haven&#8217;t even reached a level in which I&#8217;m enough satisfied (and I&#8217;m very aware of that maybe, I will have this feeling for a long time, because I might want to learn more and more one day after another).<br />
To carry on, I have to say that I&#8217;ve had the same feeling as you lots of times. When you have reached your goals, when you have put sweat and blood on your picture, giving it up it&#8217;s not so easy.<br />
The more you work to achieve your goals, the less you want to reveal your secrets. As you said, it&#8217;s like asking a magician how to reveal his tricks.</p>
<p>I try to use Flickr as a tool for learning, not only to learn editing but also to stare at other people&#8217;s work and to decide more or less if I like doing this or not. Putting it in a nutshell, to develop myself by comparing techniques, styles, and new textures.<br />
Everybody has to have an influence in his own works -influence from a person, from a picture, from past experiences, etc.- and that&#8217;s not bad. But if your intentions are to try to copy someone, that&#8217;s different.</p>
<p>To conclude, I&#8217;ll say that maybe it is good to teach your skills to someone else, but only if you are a paid photography teacher. Other way, you will hurt yourself and this person won&#8217;t try to fin out by him/herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I openly share how I process pictures and my reasoning is this ~ someone could sit down with Picasso and he could show that person exactly what he did - how he mixed the colors - which brushes he used - what type of canvas - how he laid down the strokes - his reason for each decision - and that person could walk away and try and replicate it, but wouldn&#039;t be able to.  The person might get close to a Picasso-esque style, but would not be able to think like Picasso, or make the same decisions as him.

If what you are creating truly is art, then it&#039;s unique to you.  People could try and cultivate a Brooke Shaden style but all that does is make the original look so much better :)

You should believe that you&#039;re more than your &quot;secrets&quot;, because those are extremely hard to hold onto, and art is much more than just elements stitched together ~ it&#039;s the creativity of one individual captured in a format others can see, and in the end no one can replicate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I openly share how I process pictures and my reasoning is this ~ someone could sit down with Picasso and he could show that person exactly what he did &#8211; how he mixed the colors &#8211; which brushes he used &#8211; what type of canvas &#8211; how he laid down the strokes &#8211; his reason for each decision &#8211; and that person could walk away and try and replicate it, but wouldn&#8217;t be able to.  The person might get close to a Picasso-esque style, but would not be able to think like Picasso, or make the same decisions as him.</p>
<p>If what you are creating truly is art, then it&#8217;s unique to you.  People could try and cultivate a Brooke Shaden style but all that does is make the original look so much better :)</p>
<p>You should believe that you&#8217;re more than your &#8220;secrets&#8221;, because those are extremely hard to hold onto, and art is much more than just elements stitched together ~ it&#8217;s the creativity of one individual captured in a format others can see, and in the end no one can replicate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sclafani</title>
		<link>http://shadenproductions.com/blog/2010/02/28/on-sharing-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sclafani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooke,
  I respect your thoughts on the matter, but I&#039;m not sure if I fully agree.  On the one hand, the idea of teaching other people to create &quot;art&quot; is a great idea.  Who knows? They may turn around an produce something that inspires you.
  That being said, as someone who has no secrets to share, it is easy for me to say that.  Your art has a particular signature -- for someone else to copy that would lesson it.  I remember hearing that Paul Simon used to let his sheet music out there, but he would purposely let out certain notes that he plays to keep it different.  Maybe we share the secrets that help others grow, but keep the secrets that stand as our signature.
  Certainly, I agree that it is the individual&#039;s choice.  I&#039;m a little appalled at people demanding to know anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke,<br />
  I respect your thoughts on the matter, but I&#8217;m not sure if I fully agree.  On the one hand, the idea of teaching other people to create &#8220;art&#8221; is a great idea.  Who knows? They may turn around an produce something that inspires you.<br />
  That being said, as someone who has no secrets to share, it is easy for me to say that.  Your art has a particular signature &#8212; for someone else to copy that would lesson it.  I remember hearing that Paul Simon used to let his sheet music out there, but he would purposely let out certain notes that he plays to keep it different.  Maybe we share the secrets that help others grow, but keep the secrets that stand as our signature.<br />
  Certainly, I agree that it is the individual&#8217;s choice.  I&#8217;m a little appalled at people demanding to know anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think digital photography hasn&#039;t gained the respect it deserves just yet..that request would never be made of a painter, etc. as people believe that such talents cannot be replicated by a simple tutorial.
yet people will continue to have such a blase attitude towards  digital photography until they open a file in photoshop and realise that there are no post processing elves that dance around your screen burning and dodging all the while singing their little hearts out. 
 the attitude of &quot;oh, your camera takes such great photos&quot; will always be there amongst those who know no better...
and to be honest I&#039;ve given up trying to explain otherwise.
I prefer to get on with it, while  they will never understand or care to know the amount of hours work I put into one image the only thing worse than their ignorance of the subject is watching their eyes glaze over as I try to explain it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think digital photography hasn&#8217;t gained the respect it deserves just yet..that request would never be made of a painter, etc. as people believe that such talents cannot be replicated by a simple tutorial.<br />
yet people will continue to have such a blase attitude towards  digital photography until they open a file in photoshop and realise that there are no post processing elves that dance around your screen burning and dodging all the while singing their little hearts out.<br />
 the attitude of &#8220;oh, your camera takes such great photos&#8221; will always be there amongst those who know no better&#8230;<br />
and to be honest I&#8217;ve given up trying to explain otherwise.<br />
I prefer to get on with it, while  they will never understand or care to know the amount of hours work I put into one image the only thing worse than their ignorance of the subject is watching their eyes glaze over as I try to explain it. :)</p>
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